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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:21 AM

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Update: Microsoft has announced the availabilty of Windows Vista Beta 1 at 9:05 a.m. PDT today. The build has not added to connect.microsoft.com yet, once its added we'll update this post.

Update: A Microsoft spokesperson has just let me know that Beta 1 is build 5112. MSDN subscribers can now download the build.

Paul Thurott just posted an interesting bit on his site:

"The big news, of course, regards when testers will be receiving access to Beta 1. Microsoft recently invited the first round of private testers into the Windows Vista beta, and many have emailed me, wondering when they'll get download access. Microsoft told me that technical beta testers, MSDN subscribers, and TechNet subscribers would all get access to Beta 1 starting today."

Microsoft has broken with tradition and released a set of images to the press from Vista Beta 1. The screenshots highlight new features found in Beta 1 including Internet Explorer 7, Virtual Folders and the pre-aero look and feel of the OS. We have hosted the images locally here at Neowin but they can also be viewed at Microsoft PressPass at low and hi-res.


Beta 1 Announcement


in Neowin.


http://arstechnica.c...50727-5142.html


Primeira "review":
http://news.com.com/...l?tag=nefd.lede


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:31 AM

bamos ber no que da depois na pratica.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:35 AM

Depois de ler centenas de respostas e comentários de maczealots a dizer copiado, identico, ripoff, num testemunho extremo do medo que têm de ficar com um OS para PC identico ao OSX, inclusivamente na segurança, mas com infinitamente maio oferta de software e por um preço por pacote em cerca dos 50% do que costuma pagar....

Consegui encontrar um link com imensos screens...

http://www.meversust...924d2a9f6210711

cliquem no next para ver as imagens seguidas...

E já agora, para os maczealots daqui, criem-me um um screenshot do aqua que seja identico a este para ver onde está a "cópia"... :)

Latz...
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:38 AM

http://www.meversusthem.com/vista/0,1425,s...i=102824,00.jpg

ha coisas que nunca mudam...

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:46 AM

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:48 AM

aki o maczealot, encontrou!!! o spotlight versao vista!!!

Tiger spotlight
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Vista search
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o icone da lupa n sei porque é mtooo semelhante!!!

lol, p mim n me interessa,algumas funços do tiger estarão no Vista!! para mim tanto me faz visto que nao irei mudar!!!

va la n me cilindrem a dizer k eu so vejo é mac a frente nao vale a pena (eu ja sei isso)


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:58 AM

Isto é como tudo, não me interessa dizer quem copiou quem porque a Apple já copiou muitas features da Microsoft e vice-versa. Quanto ao icon da lupa, bem... é uma lupa, simples erá dificil faze-la parece com outra coisa! ;)

Quanto aos screenshots o que mais gostei foi isto:

http://www.meversusthem.com/vista/0,1425,s...i=102837,00.jpg

Thx pelos screens latrine! :)
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:03 PM

onde eu vi essa feature!!!
:P
axo bem, por acaso e uma cena que da bastante jeito!! no XP isso ta td "aberto"


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:06 PM

Ed_, on Jul 28 2005, 01:03 PM, said:

onde eu vi essa feature!!!
:P
axo bem, por acaso e uma cena que da bastante jeito!! no XP isso ta td "aberto"


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Eu digo-te onde viste... Unix... ;) Não sei se sabes mas o OS X é basiado em Unix, BSD. E para os menos informados a Microsoft detem uma grande parte das acções da SCO uma das maiores empresas de Unix.

E esta "técnica" de permissões de acessos é utilizada obviamente em linux.

Volto a repetir, não interessa quem imita quem se formos a ver por esse prisma quase toda a gente imitou alguém. O uso do ponteiro do rato, a interface gráfica, os icons, as barras de scroll, etc, etc, etc.

Vejam assim... o que interessa é ter no fim um bom, ou excelente SO para servir as massas e eu irei sempre para aquele que me melhor servir.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:24 PM

eu tb n disse onde vi, mas isso vem no Unix onde o OS X se baseia!!

cmo disseste, o k interessa é ter o fim um bom ou exelente SO!! todas estas fetures espero que contribuam p isso,algumas delas so devem corre em pcs mais poderosos, o qe é pena ainda gostva de ver o vista no amd 850 do meu pai!! mas n deve dar, mas é mm assim é a evoluçao!! :P



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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:51 PM

Já repararam que a skin da taskbar e os botões são os mesmos que a Longhorn 5203 by kol?...

gosto bastante do efeito de transparencia das janelas... parece-me que este windows será o melhor até agora... MAAAS nao ponho as maos no fogo por ninguem :P
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 01:35 PM

:) isto é como a pescadinha de rabo na boca...

A ideia é se vamos invovar para além do que já está feito, no mínimo teremos que usar o que já está feito como ponto de partida... isto não é cópia... é evolução

O proprio Linux, com tanta gente diferente a trabalhar nos vários desktop managers acaba por fazer o mesmo... se funciona, usa-se.... e com base nisto acrescenta-se funcionalidades...

e.g. A utilização da aceleração 3d por hardware para criar o eye candy... Se vamos ter aceleração, vamos poder usar as coisas que esta traz... shaders, transparências e etc... Não é inovação do primeiro que o mete no mercado... a ideia existe... e rapidamente (mais por uns do que por ourtos) é utilizada por toda a gente... vamos a ver é com que ganhos de eficiência face a com que perdas de desempenho do hardware comum...

E se Deus quizer, em 2006/7 poderemos ter os vários sistemas operativos instalados numa mesma máquina... e aí veremos qual o melhor...

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 01:39 PM

este windows em termos de ambiente estou a gostar imenso e da organização e tal :D sinceramente n vejo k seja copy do osx ! LOL
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 05:46 PM

Nem precisa de ser cópia...

Tem é de ser melhor... E o que faz a diferença no OS X nem é o eye candy...

é... Obviamente o que está por detrás do eye candy...

Eu.... consigo correr o Tiger num G4 733mhz sem problemas nenhuns nem ter de desligar features...

Poderei fazer o mesmo com o Vista?...

E a segurança deste win... já funciona sem termos conhecimentos de técnico de informática?

A intuição da utilização... Como será?...

Essas são as perguntas que gostaria de ver respondidas... e se possivel, com resposta afirmativa...

Era sinal que teriamos finalmente produtos de qualidade que merecem o dinheiro que pedem e pelo qual lutam contra a pirataria!

Eye candy é fixe... mas não é, nem pouco mais ou menos, o mais importante.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 01:47 PM

Este comentário só me faz lembrar aquele filme do toy story, com uma ligeira adaptação (sublinhados serão meus, para marcar as diferenças):

"to Mac OSx and beyhond!!!!!!"

http://www.eweek.com...,1842175,00.asp

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Windows Vista Takes Cues from Tiger
July 31, 2005
By John Rizzo
When Windows Vista ships in late 2006, Windows will mimic many features of Apple's Tiger and go beyond it.

But while Microsoft introduces the world to Vista, Apple is keeping mum about its next version of Mac OS X, which Steve Jobs has said will ship at about the same time as Vista. ADVERTISEMENT

It is the Intel-ready Leopard, not Tiger, that will be Apple's answer to Windows Vista.

User Interface

With the first Vista beta, Microsoft seems to have taken many cues from Mac OS X with the user interface and features, right down to some of the terminology.

Even some of Vista's icons are amazingly similar to those in Tiger.

For instance, there's the interface names, Apple's Aqua and Microsoft's Aero.

In Vista, "My Documents" and "My Computer" are now "Computer" and "Documents," as they are in Mac OS X.

The search icon in the Vista beta is almost identical to Tiger's Spotlight icon, except that the magnifying glass turns the other way.

Vista buttons and other interface details have a shiny bulbous look similar to those in Mac OS X.


The more-advanced Aero Glass option uses translucent window title bars, a handy feature of Mac OS X that Apple dropped with Panther, but is still used in the Dock.

Vista does, however, have some nice touches that Tiger doesn't. Vista places previews of documents right on file icons. These are more sophisticated than the thumbnails that Photoshop creates, as they update as the file is changed.

Folders display a representation of the type of files inside. Dialog boxes for saving files and other tasks use these thumbnails.

The Vista icons are scalable to different sizes, but can scale up to 128 by 128 pixels, compared to 64 by 64 in Tiger.




File Management and Searching

Many of Vista's file management features will be familiar to Tiger users, but Vista goes further in file management techniques.

Vista folder windows have a search-as-you-type search field, a feature that Mac OS X has had since Jaguar in 2002, but which became dramatically faster in Tiger with the Spotlight search engine.

Spotlight also added the searching of the contents of various types of files and e-mail messages, as well as searching on metadata.

Vista's search engine can do all of this as well, and lets you add metadata in Windows Explorer.

You can add metadata in Tiger, using the Spotlight field in the Get Info window, but Vista offers multiple fields for keywords, rating, project and others.


Vista also borrows Tiger's Smart folders, calling them Virtual Folders. This feature automatically creates shortcut files based on criteria set by the user and places them in a folder. (Tiger's Smart Folder does this with aliases.)


Vista adds the idea of stacks, where files that use a certain keyword are listed. When you add a file to the stack, the keyword is automatically added to the stack.

Vista will also have file management features that neither Tiger nor Windows XP has. A new backup system will record incremental changes to a file and copy them to a protected area.


One of the useful features that Mac OS X has always had is that PDF is built into its core.

PDF is used for displaying and printing files, and Mac OS X has the ability to turn any document created by any application into a PDF file.

With Windows Vista, Microsoft will attempt to do the same, but not with PDF.

Vista will use a new universal format called Metro, based on XML, for viewing and printing files.

The purpose is a bit different in Vista, though. The aim is consistency of documents on screen and in print.

This is something that Mac OS has always been superior to Windows, even before Mac OS X. It remains to be seen how successful Metro will be.

Next Page: Networking and the outlook on Leopard.

Networking

Windows Vista will be superior to Tiger in terms of networking, mostly because Windows is a better client for Microsoft servers.

Part of this is Microsoft's fault, such as the lack of support of the MAPI protocol in Exchange Server. But Apple has been slow to include Microsoft authentication protocols and support for Active Directory, which first showed up in Panther and then Tiger.

Even now, incompatibilities and glitches persist, even with basic file sharing.

Vista has some new networking features, such as the ability to send presentation to connect to a project on the network, which isn't found in Tiger.

Microsoft is also promising the ability to access applications and desktops over the Internet without a virtual private network.

Tiger also doesn't have Vista's purported built-in support for "social networking" technologies, which include Weblogs, RSS, and Wikis.

Although Tiger's Safari Web browser supports RSS, Vista will have RSS embedded in the core of the OS, so that any application could potentially take advantage of it should a developer decide to do so.

An application could not only subscribe to RSS feeds, but could include RSS browsing and searching, ordering and sorting—in short, a method of managing data.


Like Panther and Tiger, Windows Vista will support (IPv6) Internet Protocol Version 6.

Security

Certainly, Windows is a target of more malware than is Mac OS X, and security in Vista is more sophisticated than in Tiger.

For instance, Internet Explorer 7 will run in a Vista "containment area" called Low-Rights mode that will attempt to keep worms and spyware out of Windows.

Malware simply won't have the privileges needed to write files or change the Registry. There will also be anti-phishing techniques employed.

Vista will support laptops with Trusted Platform Module chips, which creates a secure boot that protects hardware and applications from being run by unauthorized users or by malicious software.

Both Vista and Tiger have the ability to automatically encrypt all data on the hard disk.

Vista and the Outlook on Leopard

Apple's market share has jumped 37 percent in the past year to 4.5 percent of the PC market, still small by Microsoft standards, but significant for Apple's bottom line.

Hardware with the familiar Intel inside is likely to entice more PC users than today's Power PC, and the iPod effect could still be a factor.

But to continue this kind of growth, Apple's Leopard will need to be a compelling alternative to Vista.

It would not be difficult for Apple to add some of Vista's user interface features, such as thumbnails in document and folder icons.

Apple will need a further move away from the desktop and folder metaphor with further development of Spotlight and possibly new file management techniques.

Increased use of RSS and Internet access within the OS would be helpful.

Leopard will also need to continue Mac OS X's trend of increasingly better compatibility with Windows networks.

Users can expect continued development in Apple's strengths, consumer accessible music, image management and video editing.

New multimedia features in iPod would also be a welcome addition.



Agora se retirarmos o facto de que estamos a comparar algo que já cá anda à mais de 5 meses com algo que ainda falta uns 16 para sair...

É como diz a peça... vamos ver o que o Steve tem para nós no Leopard...
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 04:42 PM

[V]arious [I]mprovements [S]imilar [T]o [A]pple's
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:16 PM

LOLOL

tinham que aparecer variaçoes dessas :D :D
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 11:22 PM

ta mt bom o window pelo - pela aparencia!!! tenhu um miguh meu k ja u tem!!!
ah brigadau latrinu!pelu site
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 02:31 AM

Volto a pedir que escrevas em português...
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 01:48 PM

Sim, everkill, em português, por favor.
Quanto a algumas características que apontaram aquando da comparação entre o Vista e o OSX, parece que quem o escreveu não usou realmente o OSX.
Os ícones do OSX só são escalonáveis até 64x64?? Até 128x128, meus senhores.
E o networking do Windows é superior ao do Mac? Com o RendezVous eu consigo encontrar TUDO o que está ligado à rede, inclusivamente PCs. Já com o serviço de network do Windows não encontro Mac nenhum na rede.
De resto, parece bonito. Mas claro que isso é eyecandy. Resta saber se é tão fácil de usar quanto o OSX, se é tão seguro, etc.

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